Thailand - Draft Law About Marital Rape

Draft law legalises rape - by both spouses

25 January 2007. Sanitsuda Ekachai, Assistant Editor, Bangkok Post

Should husbands be allowed to rape their wives? Yes, says the Justice Ministry. And for the sake of gender equality, the Justice Ministry will allow the wives to rape their husbands, too. Don't laugh. That is exactly what the Justice Ministry says in its draft amendment of the law regarding rape.

According to the draft, rape and sexual offences will be punishable with a jail term from four to 20 years and a fine of 8,000 to 40,000 baht _ unless it involves marital partners.

This draft is the ministry's response to years of pressure from human rights groups to redress gender violence and inequality in Thai law. It ends up being farcical because of the ministry's mechanical approach to justice and its refusal to tackle the heart of the matter, which is the oppression of women.

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http://www.bangkokpo...s.php?id=116280

Thai Ministry of Justice made a good decision.
It is nonsense to claim spousal rape - if you sign a marriage contract, you agree to sexual relationship with your male/female partner. Otherwise marriage does not make any sense at all.

Spousal rape claims are also clearly rejected by Islam.

Spousal rape is a feminist idea to get away with the assets of the husband easily in case of divorce - often by false rape allegations, accusing the husband for a crime, which even never took place.

A reason more to marry a Thai woman instead of a girl from the UK, USA or similar country with feminist laws and with a divorce rate of 50 to 70 percent...

yohan, on Jan 26 2007, 01:09 AM, said:

Total mysogonist bullsh*t. No human being, male or female should be forced to have sex against their will. I have yet to see a marriage contract or vow that states that one spouse can force themselves on another.

If you have to force someone to have sex with you, you're pathetic. If you think that marriage only makes sense when it's allowed, stay single.

This type of drivel is only believed by weak men who aren't strong enough to accept women on an equal footing.

I have to agree with you VC.

How could I expect my wife to respect me if I forced myself on her.

How could I respect myself if I acted like such an animal.

Voodoo Child, on Jan 26 2007, 10:00 AM, said:

Total misandrist bullsh*t.

For what reason do you marry, if you reject any basic right of the spouse for sexual contact with you?
You prefer to create a husband (or even a married wife?) acting like a beggar? Putting him (even her?) into a situation worse than if he (she?) pays for sexual contact with a prostitute?

I have yet to see a marriage contract, which excludes specifically sexual contact between this couple.
But this is, what the law about spousal rape could mean for a married man in any case, as he just depends on the mood of his wife (or husband), like in some countries in Europe and in the USA.

You are totally wrong informed and a poor brainwashed victim by feminist bullsh*t propaganda.

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How would you feel, if you are the victim of a false rape allegation of your own wife, because she wants your house, your car, your savings and wants you to be in jail in exchange for somebody else?

Considering DNA results in the USA during the last years, you will find out, that 100s of innocent men spent many years in prison for crimes, which even did never take place.

Up to 80 percent of all these false rape allegations (which are very common in the Western world - remember VAWA in the USA!) are turning out of being a product of fantasy, a product of revanche or hate ...

The Thai law, clearly rejecting 'spousal rape'. This is very much OK!

It is basically the same law, we have here in Japan - no spousal rape possible - of course, you might be subject to mistreatment of your wife (and also husband), but never for rape.

Of course, all Islamic countries reject such a nonsense like a 'spousal rape'...sometimes, the Quran makes sense.

Such stupid claims like 'spousal rape' to extort money from ex-husbands exist only in the Western feminist world, nowhere else.

Why are you so frightened of women?

Do you still club your wife, and drag her by her hair into your cave?

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None of which is spousal rape. Just because an injustice is done by some women with claims of false rape doesn't make it right for any man to rape his wife.

The biggest problem with the Koran is that was written in the 6th century for people of that time that didn't know any better. It has never been brought up to date to reflect what should be societies modern values.

This post has been edited by TizMe: 26 January 2007 - 01:54 PM

Voodoo Child, on Jan 26 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

I am not frightened of women - I am careful however about laws, which gives women the right, out of nothing except their own bad mood and word to accuse men for crimes, to extort money and the man is considered to be guilty until proven innocent.
Even if proven innocent, even if the crime did not exist at all and never took place, there is almost no legal way to keep such a woman responsible for her wrongdoings and slander.

We have such laws in USA, UK, Sweden, Norway, Austria and some other countries, and I do not want to see such laws here in Asia.
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The Thai position is absolut correct:
There is no marital rape, neither for men, nor for women. Period.

Otherwise a marriage certificate would be worthless, and would only serve to accuse the husband for crimes, to extort money and to speed up divorce in favor to the wife regardless if she started the incident or not.

If you- a man or a woman does not matter - do not want to accept that spousal rape does not exist in the Thai criminal code, then stay single - and do not marry.

I do not see anything in this new Thai law, which is not equal - it is gender-neutral.

TizMe, on Jan 26 2007, 02:52 PM, said:

You have problems to stay gender-neutral in your postings and are trying as an excuse to mix up -A- and -B-.

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If a person - man or woman does not matter - drags a person by his/her hair, it is an act of violence.
This has nothing to do with spousal rape and if a husband is doing this with his wife, or the wife is doing it with her husband, it is still the same violence under present Thai law and punishable under new Thai law.

Married or not does not matter at all in this case.

Generally, in some sectors of violence, which includes hair-pulling, spiting, kicking, scratching, verbal abuse, throw something, child mistreatment and others, women are more violent than men.
However they are getting off with very lenient sentences, despite crying for gender-equality.
So let us adjust the prison sentences of men and women - we should treat both equally by law.

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'The injustice of SOME women...'

first this is not true, as up to 80 percent of false rape allegations are turning out as nothing but a lie..
To look at a divorce rate of 50 to 70 percent in Western society and to blame only SOME women for wrongdoings and consider the majority of men as guilty, because they always have to pay regardless who started the incident, is feminist slander and far off any equal rulings in most courts.

second, as I said above, the man or the woman might be still stand trial for violence, but not for rape, BECAUSE they are married.
Otherwise, any marriage certificate would be meaningless, as it would oblige a married man to ask his wife (and the married wife to ask her husband) for sexual contacts exactly in the same way as you would doing it as a single person with an unknown man/woman you meet somewhere in the street the first time.

third, if you really want to create a crime called: 'spousal rape by the husband', then you should also create a law forcing the same punishment for 'spousal false rape allegations by the wife' - if the spousal rape brings the man 20 years into prison, than the false rape allegation should bring the wife 20 years into prison.
Would such a law be acceptable for you?

Finally, telling me some excuse like 'None of which is spousal rape...'
Why do you make suddenly a difference between 'ordinary rape against a total unknown person (only women?)' and 'spousal rape' if on the other side of your argumentation, BOTH should be considered as the same crime of rape, married or not married does not matter?

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Yes, Islam does not accept such a nonsense claim called: 'spousal rape' - however it is not the only religion rejecting stupid feminist arguments.
Buddhism also does not accept such a ridiculous claim, as we see now in Thailand. Here in Japan, mainly Buddhist, we also do not have such a funny definition in the laws.
Buddhist scripts are older than the Quran, and they also were never updated. Does this mean, Buddhism is worse than Islam, as it is older than Islam?

If you are worried about getting married and raped, do not marry, both of you - men and women - easy, isn't it?

Forced sex IS Violence. A marriage certificate doesn't make it non-violent.

No amount of false accusations excuses true accusations from guilt.

This post has been edited by TizMe: 26 January 2007 - 06:05 PM

I thought 'marrital obligation' was thrown out a long time ago.
Anyway, marriage without sex, RUN.
Forced sex? Who would enjoy?

Ah, one solution, make a contract where both parties agree to have sex Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, 7:00 pm regardless if the other spouse is there or not.

TizMe, on Jan 26 2007, 07:04 PM, said:

False rape allegations ARE violence, too. A marriage certificate doesn't make them non-violent.
No amount of true accusations excuses false rape allegations from guilt.

This sentence works also the other way, as you can see...

Good to see, that your posting is now gender-neutral and does not depict all men as violent and all women as helpless and innocent victims of spousal and otherwise rape.

I am never saying that false accusations shouldn't be punished.

I am just saying that it is no excuse to legally allow rape within marriage.

As Axel says,

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As for a contract, I'd rather not. It's just much better to be spontaneous and both want to shag the others brains out.

Axel, on Jan 26 2007, 08:36 PM, said:

This is the problem, Axel...

Please tell me, why should you RUN out of YOUR house?

The 'spousal false rape allegation' issue is well-known and widely misused by women to speed up divorce to the financial favour of the ex-wife, regardless who started the incident.

This means, without even checking if such allegations are true or not, the man is forced out of his house, has to give her the house and the car and even has to give her access to his banking accounts.

This is true especially in USA, when considering VAWA, the man is basically defendless - this law, called 'violence against women act' can hardly be considered as gender-neutral - it is pro-feminist - even the name of this law is feminist biased.
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The frequent misuse by women of such regulations like 'spousal rape' makes me very worried.

I am living here in Japan, where this issue does not exist - there is no spousal rape, no discussion so far about this subject and I hope it will continue like that.
I am pleased to read that Thailand will do the same. There are laws protecting the spouse against mistreatment and this should be enough.

Your pathetic excuse that because someone may make a false accusation that they should be denied any protection in law has got to be one of the silliest things I've read lately, and this paranoid fear that all women are out to get you is leading to you make some very foolish statements.

By your logic a woman should have to be sexually submissive to her employer or teachers because if a law existed to protect her she would just use it to extort a promotion, or a better test score.

It is precisely due to people like you who think that a woman owes them sex that these laws are needed. If you must take it by force, you are failure as a husband, a man, and a human being, and you deserve to be in jail, where hopefully poetic justice will rule the day.

yohan, on Jan 26 2007, 08:22 PM, said:

You're basically right about that in Japan. But funny how it is in Japan that you can't be charged for spousal rape but you can file divorce by claiming your spouse's inability to perform sex (impotents, etc) and get away with compensation. Be careful.

Voodoo Child, on Jan 26 2007, 11:26 PM, said:

All what I read here is basically nothing but a bizarre attempt to escape clear replies to my actual questions concerning the topic and instead you try to slander my person with baseless provocative slogans. This is quite the usual way feminists are going, as they have no valid arguments.
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According to your logic, a married woman has the right, PC correct, to refuse any sexual contact despite the request of her husband from the first day of marriage on.

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According to your logic, a married man has no right to complain about 1 - as he has no right even to expect sexual contact with his wife at all.

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You did not deny, that false rape allegations by women do exist, and that the concerned man is totally defendless against them.

Might be, that you consider 1 + 2 + 3 as perfect marriage, however I do not share your opinion.

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I never said, married women should be denied ANY protection in law - this is one of your untrue allegations...

I said, 'there are (already) laws protecting the spouse against mistreatment and this should be enough'.

We do not need a law, called 'spouse rape' which is full of legal loopholes and nothing else but a questionable business for a lawyer and a wife, who is looking for a lucrative divorce.

You can be one evil bugger Yohan.

Rape is assult on a woman.Pure and simple.We are not talking about false accusation here...only you are.forget about that part.That's another topic all togeather.

If a woman says no,then she means it.If a person is stupid enough to be with a woman that says no all the time then there is a simple solution

1)Find it somewhere else or
2)divorce her.


If my brother-in-law raped my sister, I would give him the father of all hidings or I would arrange for him to be tied up
and raped by a gay guy.Simple really.Tit for fcuking tat.I wonder how he would feel about that then?????

If you think that taking a woman by force because she says no is ok,then you are one sick MF.

yohan if a husband forces his wife to have sex with him by threatening her physically (but causes no bodily injury). Do you think he should be punished in a court of law, if it can be proved legally? What should he be charged with and what kind of punishment do you think is fitting for that act?

Yohan you are taking an extreme case that few men will ever encounter and are using it to justify a law allowing any wife being raped. Your fear of women as equals is baffling, your advocation of forcable rape is just plain sick.

Security against being raped isn't some uber-feminist ideal, it's a basic right of any human being in a civilized society.