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Muslim woman in Malaysia to be flogged for drinking beer Islamic court sentences woman to be flogged for drinking beer

#21 User is online   yohan 

Posted 02 August 2009 - 06:38 PM

View PostUncle Gweilo, on 02 August 2009 - 06:07 PM, said:

.....the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime which, from "our" point of view is not even a crime. But that is just that: OUR opinion.

Yes, correct, I can show you various laws in USA, where the punishment does not fit the crime - crimes, which are no crimes elsewhere in this world.

The situation in Malaysia is the following:

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It is easy to buy alcoholic drinks in cities in Malaysia, where not only Malay Muslims but also Indians and Chinese are living. However to drink alcohol is against the Islamic faith. -

This is not even a bad rule, everything has 2 sides of arguments and as Muslim you might really question Western values, when asking about how many families are broken because of alcoholism, how much violence happens everyday in EU/US etc because of alcohol, drunk driving related accidents, etc.

2 -
What you drink in your own home as a Muslim is up to you, I never heard about any problem, but to drink alcohol as a Muslim openly in public is illegal, and every Muslim in Malaysia knows this.

Punishments are rare however, but this does not mean, that this is not an offence and will never be punished.

And? What is wrong with that?

This post has been edited by yohan: 02 August 2009 - 06:43 PM


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#22 User is offline   Uncle Gweilo 

Posted 02 August 2009 - 10:26 PM

View Postyohan, on 02 August 2009 - 08:38 PM, said:

What you drink in your own home as a Muslim is up to you, I never heard about any problem, but to drink alcohol as a Muslim openly in public is illegal, and every Muslim in Malaysia knows this.

Punishments are rare however, but this does not mean, that this is not an offence and will never be punished.


And this particular incident happened in Pahang. It makes me think would it have been an issue in one of the western states or in KL itself.

Hopefully, at the end of the day, this is an isolated incident.

#23 User is online   yohan 

Posted 02 August 2009 - 11:51 PM

View PostUncle Gweilo, on 02 August 2009 - 11:26 PM, said:

And this particular incident happened in Pahang. It makes me think would it have been an issue in one of the western states or in KL itself.
Hopefully, at the end of the day, this is an isolated incident.

Not really, as there are complaints and there are checks about what young Muslims are doing in Malaysia.

In this forum is also a thread about religious police in Malaysia.

http://www.orientexp...aid-sparks-row/

However most complaints are already about what happened some years ago.

There are Muslim laws in Malaysia, and as Muslim, you should be careful, but even as a non-Muslim do not provocate.

In this case to avoid troubles is easy.
Do not drink alcohol in public places, where you can be seen.

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But sometimes even non-Muslims are searched and questioned. In Kuah, on the mainland near Langkawi, cleary this is the West Coast...

http://thestar.com.m...9442&sec=nation

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LANGKAWI: Retired American policeman Randal Barnhart, who was subjected to a 2am raid by religious enforcement officers, is reconsidering his plan to make Malaysia his second home.

“After that unpleasant episode two weeks ago, I do not feel like making Malaysia my second home. It is a pity because both my wife and I really love Langkawi,” he said.

On Oct 12, Barnhart, 62, and his wife Carole, 61, were in their rented condominium in Kuah when enforcement officers continuously knocked on their door at 2am, accusing them of committing khalwat (close proximity). He said the officers demanded to see his marriage certificate, although he had told them that they were Christians and should not be subjected to Islamic law.

October 28, 2006


Just as a warning, religious police does exist in Malaysia.

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http://www.arabnews....&category=World

KUALA LUMPUR, 25 March 2005 — Malaysia clipped the wings of its religious police yesterday, warning that it did not want to be like Afghanistan under Taleban rule, and ordered national police supervision of their controversial raids.

The religious police stirred a storm of protest with heavy-handed behavior during a January raid on a nightclub in the Malaysian capital, and in another incident by detaining a transsexual person visiting the home of Muslim friends.

“This is a very serious matter, we do not want to see Malaysia turning into Afghanistan during the Taleban (rule),” said Mohamed Nazri Abdul Aziz, the minister who announced the change. “If this is not stopped, it may happen,” he said.

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And this is only ONE year ago....

http://thestar.com.m...4450&sec=nation

IPOH: Housewife Zuraida Zainul Abidin had a shock of her life when her house was raided by three religious officers in the early hours of Friday morning.

She said that at 4am that day she was breast-feeding her three-month-old baby when she heard noises at the front gate of her house in Pusing.

“I thought it was my husband returning but when I opened the door, it was three men from the Perak Religious Department,” said Zuraida, 28, at the office of her lawyer Ranjit Singh Sandhu, whom she had consulted.

The three Batu Gajah-based officers told her they were searching for immoral activities but could not find anything.

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http://www.asianews....p?l=en&art=7660

Again about the elderly couple, who were foreigners...

11/03/2006 15:46

MALAYSIA
Christians alarmed by religious police controls
Joseph Masilamany
The Christian Federation of Malaysia is calling on the authorities to uphold everyone's right to privacy. Last month Religious Affairs officials stormed an apartment whose occupants, an elderly married couple from overseas, were guilty only of sleeping together.

The CFM is especially concerned that non-Muslims are now targets for harassment by state religious officers. For this reason, it has called on the Malaysian government to urgently take up the issue and adopt the necessary measures to protect people's privacy.

The CFM also called on the Kedah State Religious Affairs Department to offer an official apology to the American couple and urged Malaysia's tourism department to reassure tourists and all Malaysians that they won't be subjected to the religious police's morality checks.

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This one is also not such a nice report...from BBC, it's a recent report, only 2 weeks ago.


http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/8151352.stm

Wednesday, 15 July 2009 10:28 UK

Police in Malaysia have said they will release nine Christians mistakenly accused of trying to convert Muslim university students to Christianity. A university security guard wrongly thought they were handing Christian pamphlets to Muslims, police said. Trying to convert Muslims to another religion is forbidden in Malaysia, though Muslims may proselytise.

Members of religious minorities have complained that their rights are being ignored in Muslim-majority Malaysia.

The nine Christians, five students and four friends from Hong Kong, were arrested late on Tuesday at Universiti Putra Malaysia in Serdang, near Kuala Lumpur.

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#24 User is offline   keekwai 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 02:11 PM

Exactly! .. and MY opinion is that they are animals .. fair enough? That's all I'm doing .. "expressing my opinion" or do you wish to deny me that simple right? .. c**ts. :)

#25 User is offline   Stocky 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 02:49 PM

Of course you can express an opinion.
F###wit :)

#26 User is online   camerata 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 03:16 PM

All beer drinkers should be thrashed to within an inch of their lives.













































... if they drink Fosters. :whistling:

#27 User is offline   Uncle Gweilo 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 06:50 PM

View Postcamerata, on 03 August 2009 - 05:16 PM, said:

All beer drinkers should be thrashed to within an inch of their lives.



... if they drink Fosters. :whistling:


Noone I know here drinks "Vitamin F" as a beer of choice. In Malaysia I usually drink Carlsberg or Tiger.

#28 User is online   TizMe 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 07:08 PM

View Postcamerata, on 03 August 2009 - 03:16 PM, said:

... if they drink Fosters. :whistling:
Its funny, I have never met anyone... that actually prefers Fosters as their beer of choice.

#29 User is offline   Stocky 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 09:29 PM

Indeed, it's down there with Heinip*ss, a beer of last resort.

#30 User is offline   Captain Chaos 

Posted 03 August 2009 - 11:36 PM

TIGER??? Yeeeeeeuuuuukkkkk!!!! :puke:

#31 User is online   TizMe 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 12:21 AM

I don't mind Tiger at all. I like it best of the local brews.

#32 User is offline   METHOS 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:54 AM

But Fosters is Australian for beer... :angry:

#33 User is offline   keekwai 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 08:49 AM

View PostMETHOS, on 04 August 2009 - 06:54 AM, said:

But Fosters is Australian for beer... :angry:


What you don't understand is that your average Aussie doesn't drink Fosters. It's cats p*ss.Only wannabe Aussies in the U.K drink it.

#34 User is offline   METHOS 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:33 AM

I don't drink alcohol, let alone, beer. I wouldn't know if it tastes good or not.
It's imported here in the States, and they run commercials to advertise for it, but I don't know of ANYONE that drinks it.

#35 User is offline   Captain Chaos 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 11:49 AM

View PostTizMe, on 04 August 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

I don't mind Tiger at all. I like it best of the local brews.


That's not saying much!

#36 User is offline   Mandrunk 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 02:10 PM

Tiger is hit and miss with me. We had a few bottles down at the river a few weeks back (only available option) and it went down a treat... but we had a few on Saturday and it tasted crap.

#37 User is offline   Uncle Gweilo 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:20 PM

View Postkeekwai, on 04 August 2009 - 10:49 AM, said:

What you don't understand is that your average Aussie doesn't drink Fosters. It's cats p*ss.Only wannabe Aussies in the U.K drink it.



But Fosters is better than either of Fourex or West End.

Can't say Fourex as four X's on this forum. Bizarre, but anyhoo. It's called that because either: Queenslanders are that stupid they can't spell "beer"; You use four x's to put swear words in print. You drink the beer, you utter that word!

West End is made with Adelaide water, which makes the beer taste like someone used it before you did.

VB stands for "Very Bad" but it's better than Vitamin F, Fourex or West End.

According to an urban myth, Crown Lager is just "Fosters in a poofy bottle".

My favourite Aussie beers have to be the James Squire range, Boag's St. George, or Coopers' range.

View PostMandrunk, on 04 August 2009 - 04:10 PM, said:

Tiger is hit and miss with me. We had a few bottles down at the river a few weeks back (only available option) and it went down a treat... but we had a few on Saturday and it tasted crap.



Might be down to where it's brewed. It may not even be Tiger, just some sort of generic beer in a Tiger bottle. It happens with Qingdao and Yanjing in Beijing, so it probably happens in Thailand as well.

May also be a function of how it's stored. Sitting in a crate in the open air at the back of a bar or restaurant for several weeks in Thai weather just can't do it any good.

This post has been edited by Uncle Gweilo: 04 August 2009 - 09:16 PM


#38 User is online   camerata 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:21 PM

I was partial to Tooheys New the last time I was in Oz. Straight from the tap, of course.

#39 User is offline   Uncle Gweilo 

Posted 04 August 2009 - 09:31 PM

View PostCaptain Chaos, on 04 August 2009 - 01:49 PM, said:

That's not saying much!



Apparently Singha in Thailand is cat's p### and not a patch on the version they export. Ditto for Bintang from Indonesia. But the San Miguel that's brewed in Hawaii is crook compared to the genuine Philippine article.

I also remember being singularly unimpressed with the "33" I drank at Club Med Noumea that had been brewed in Vietnam. Mind you, the house white was like metho and the house red was benzene with cochineal dye in it. I basically stuck to fresh fruit juice and Coke while I was there.

View Postcamerata, on 04 August 2009 - 11:21 PM, said:

I was partial to Tooheys New the last time I was in Oz. Straight from the tap, of course.



Of tap beer readily available in most pubs, I'd probably toss a coin for either Coopers' Pale or Cascade Premium. Tooheys New would probably come in third- it's a lot better than the old Tooheys draught from the 1980's.

View PostMETHOS, on 04 August 2009 - 11:33 AM, said:

I don't drink alcohol, let alone, beer.



Good for you, whether it's by personal choice or religious/social stricture. You'll save a lot of money and a lot more brain cells. Mind you, three beers in an average week is usually my upper limit.

#40 User is online   camerata 

Posted 24 August 2009 - 03:11 PM

Malaysia frees woman scheduled for caning

A Malaysian model, who was set to become the first woman caned in the southeast Asian country for drinking beer in public, was inexplicably spared her sentence Monday, her father said.

Authorities had picked up Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, from her father's house Monday morning and were taking her to a prison in the eastern state of Pahang when the van turned around and brought her back.

http://edition.cnn.c...ning/index.html

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