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#1 Uncle Gweilo

Posted 01 November 2009 - 03:16 PM

Malaysia allows polygamy- up to four wives, but for Muslims only. As you can imagine, it's not all beer and skittles for a lot of family set-ups.

http://www.malaysiak...rentakini/58596

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The issue of polygamy is being hotly debated in mainly-Muslim Malaysia, after the government proposed legislation that would make it easier to enter into multiple marriages - a practice some women's groups want banned.

Muslim men here are allowed up to four wives, but activists say the practice is cruel and that it has been distorted from its original purpose during the days of the Prophet which was to protect widows and orphans.

#2 yohan

Posted 01 November 2009 - 08:26 PM

Uncle Gweilo, on 01 November 2009 - 04:16 PM, said:

Malaysia allows polygamy- up to four wives, but for Muslims only.

That is OK. What should be wrong with that?
This is permitted in the Quran, but not really recommended.

Many Muslim men in Malaysia are single and will tell you straight, it is only about the money. You have money, you can pay for 3 or 4 wives and many Muslim women will agree to be your wife no. 2 or wife no. 4, but if you are a poor man in Malaysia, you will be single forever. No Malay Muslim girl will take you, even if you are very sincere with your intention.

What do we have in US, in UK and in EU, where polygamy is outlawed?

Cheating women, prostitution, unfair divorce, paternity fraud, rampant feminism etc. etc.

I wonder, if this is so much better than Islam.

Btw, also some Thai men enjoy polygamy, 'mia noi', it is not really legal, but who cares? And some Thai women enjoy also polygamy, with a farang ATM and a Thai boyfriend. Who cares anyway?

#3 elmyda

Posted 03 November 2009 - 12:54 AM

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This post has been edited by Mandrunk: 03 November 2009 - 11:39 AM
Reason for edit:: Only post in English

#4 yohan

Posted 03 November 2009 - 02:09 AM

I can read Malay, but members of this forum do not understand your language.
Saya boleh membacha Bahasa Melayu, tetapi ahli forum ini ta' mengerti bahasa anda.

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Why not adding to your offer in Malay about arranging marriage over the Malaysian/Thai border an English translation?
And sorry, members here in this forum, I think, are not Muslims and cannot accept your offer. Anyway it is a good information, how a Malay Muslim might use services for marriage over the Thai/Malay border.

Simple translation by Yohan,(is my translation correct?)
Anybody else who can read Malay?

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MARRIAGE IN SOUTHERN THAILAND by (skip)
Greetings, I wish to offer services related to Muslim Marriage in
the Regional Office in Yala Betong Branch.
Only 10 minutes drive from the border gates with car.
The area is peaceful and quiet, no fighting or bombing etc.
Fighting is only in remote areas 150km from Betong, Yala.

Marriage Certificate issued by the Religious Office of Yala can be used
in Malaysia. There is no problem in the future because of ???.
This marriage is valid and acceptable in Malaysia.

You only need to pay a fine if you register later than 6 months after marriage if you want to register this
marriage certificate in Malaysia.
These registration data will be accepted in the religious offices in Malaysia.

Vehicles will be provided from the exit toll highway north/south up to Kuala Kangsar to bring the couple to our
office. All will be done within one day.

Husband will get a marriage certificate within 7 days. Overall cost, including vehicles, fuel, car insurance,
roadtax Thailand negotiable.

Important: You need an international passport (or border pass) and dowry. Sir/Madam, I hope this offer will
solve your problems.
For handling and inquiries, please email me at or call me at (skip).

Thank you

This post has been edited by yohan: 03 November 2009 - 02:11 AM

#5 Cornfed

Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:13 AM

yohan, on 01 November 2009 - 07:26 PM, said:

What do we have in US, in UK and in EU, where polygamy is outlawed?

Essentially you have polygamy, but polygamy related soley to sex rather than to marriage. Feminism combined with a failing economy (one follows from the other) leads to a de facto harem system.

#6 Mandrunk

Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:40 AM

Any non-English posts should be deleted.

#7 xo_artemis

Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:49 AM

yohan, on 03 November 2009 - 01:09 AM, said:

Simple translation by Yohan,(is my translation correct?)
Anybody else who can read Malay?

As far as I know, it is correct.

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There is no problem in the future because of ???.

For the question mark, I don't know what Nikah Sindiket mean.
For what I know, what they offer are Nikah Siri (Muslim marriage, without legal acknowledgement from government)

But like they said, it could be registered as a legal marriage.

#8 yohan

Posted 03 November 2009 - 12:05 PM

Mandrunk, on 03 November 2009 - 12:40 PM, said:

Any non-English posts should be deleted.

It's not a bad language exercise however.
A certain forum in English as we know has a Thai section for example.

It's important if you cannot speak anything else but English to realize, that local languages are an interesting subject.

I know also a German forum about Thailand, which has a sector for writing in Thai. And while German is mainly been used, English is also accepted and some few people show also up in French.

Also one forum I use frequently and also as moderator, has a 'foreign language section' for everything which is not English, and moderators, who take care of it are those who are not native English speakers, in my case German. We post the article in original language and add some simple translation or explication in English, so others can also understand what it means.

But I agree, that the main correspondence language must be English.

#9 yohan

Posted 03 November 2009 - 06:41 PM

xo_artemis, on 03 November 2009 - 12:49 PM, said:

As far as I know, it is correct.

For the question mark, I don't know what Nikah Sindiket mean.

May I ask what is your native language? Indonesian?

For me some chat and some comments are a nice exercise to remember Malay language again from time to time. I used it many years ago, now much of it is forgotten.

At that time, about 30 years ago, I could speak about all daily needs and write a simple letter without using a dictionary. Now not any more.

Nikah Sindiket is maybe an office related to the Sharia Court in Malaysia? Authorized by the Sharia Court to check Islamic marriage documents, something like a lawyer office or attesting notary? Just my guess.

Interesting to see that there is a business going on between Thailand and Malaysia about marriage between Muslims over the border.

#10 Uncle Gweilo

Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:33 PM

Cornfed, on 03 November 2009 - 01:13 PM, said:

Essentially you have polygamy, but polygamy related soley to sex rather than to marriage. Feminism combined with a failing economy (one follows from the other) leads to a de facto harem system.

In the West we have serial polygamy. Get married, get divorced, get married again, get divorced, repeat as necessary. Sometimes the marriage ceremony itself is not required. Plenty of women with several kids each from a different "partner". Lots of times being supported by us- the taxpayer.

*Hops off soapbox*

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Simple translation by Yohan,(is my translation correct?)
Anybody else who can read Malay?

Saya hanya berbahasa melayu dan bahasa indonesia sedikit sedikit saja!

And then I'm not convinced that what I've just typed is correct.

We spent 1971 and 1972 in Singapore when I was a kid (10 and 11 years old) and I learnt a tiny bit of Malay at school (6th class primary). This converted rather nicely to 2½ years of Indonesian when I started high school in Canberra. Nothing since 1975 except to have what little I remember or can cobble from phrase books to use as party tricks to impress the locals with a bit of decent pronunciation when I go to Malaysia or meet any Malays or Indonesians over here. I have a bit of an ear for languages and can mimic a lot of people and different accents. :blahblah1:

#11 xo_artemis

Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:06 PM

yohan, on 03 November 2009 - 05:41 PM, said:

May I ask what is your native language? Indonesian?

Yes, its Indonesia...or Bahasa to be precise.

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I could speak about all daily needs and write a simple letter without using a dictionary. Now not any more.

Hm...I used to be able to hold simple conversation in Japanese and a little bit of Kanji. I passed Nihongo Noryoku Shiken level 3.But thats 8 years ago. It's rusty for the lack of use.
I try to practice it by myself, but can't say I'm succeeded

Uncle Gweilo, on 03 November 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

...to use as party tricks to impress the locals with a bit of decent pronunciation when I go to Malaysia or meet any Malays or Indonesians over here.

Ha..ha..ha.. :lol:

Seems the party tricks work for Indonesian in the internet too (namely me ^_^

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It's so nice to meet foreigner who could speak Bahasa. Even if its only a little bit, coz its meant our country are known by other people.Usually foreigner just know Bali, and they don't even know that Bali is part of Indonesia.

#12 yohan

Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:16 PM

Uncle Gweilo, on 03 November 2009 - 09:33 PM, said:

Saya hanya berbahasa melayu dan bahasa indonesia sedikit sedikit saja!

And then I'm not convinced that what I've just typed is correct.

Satu lagi Melayu bercakap lelaki
(another Malay speaking guy)

Selamat datang!
(Welcome!)

Bagus bercakap Melayu bahasa.
(Great to speak Malay)

Never mind, mistakes or not, try to speak and write.
(tidak apa, dengan kesilapan dan tanpa kesilapan, chuba chakap dan menulis)

bahasa melayu tidak pernah penulisan kesilapan
(there is never a writing mistake in Malay language)

#13 Uncle Gweilo

Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:59 PM

And the trump card in restaurants when they see my white face and want to suggest something mild:

Saya suka makanan pedas! (I like spicy food!)

I have yet to travel to Indonesia. When people ask me "Have you been to...?" I don't say "No", but "Not yet". I'd go back to Malaysia in a heartbeat. Maybe Indonesia next year. I have a friend in Madiun in Jawa Timur who wants me to come and visit her. It's pretty close to Yogya and Borobudur, so a start in Jakarta then train it to the east of Java and possibly a short stay in Bali before heading back. Will only have three weeks, though.

Elsie's photo essay on her trip to Bali ( http://www.orientexp...y-trip-to-bali/ )confirms that there's more there than just p¡$$ed orang putih roaming around Kuta and Nusa.

#14 Mandrunk

Posted 05 November 2009 - 07:31 PM

yohan, on 03 November 2009 - 11:05 AM, said:

It's important if you cannot speak anything else but English to realize, that local languages are an interesting subject.

Yes of course, and local languages interest me also... but I'm not a polyglot and if I can't understand what is written, it could be a lese majeste post for all I know, or an invitation to purchase illegal porn... therefore, unless I can clearly understand what is hosted on my server, it gets deleted.

#15 Uncle Gweilo

Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:59 PM

Fair enough.

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