Obama flips China the bird

Did Obama grow a pair?

http://www.cbc.ca/po...dalai-lama.html

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http://www.inthenews...ma-$1357319.htm

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/8492608.stm

The CCP also feels P*ssed about the debated to death but we can use some money now deal that got approved:

http://www.cbc.ca/wo...an-weapons.html

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lol, sanctions? The US owns so much money to China that sanctions might be good for the Americans.

A comprehensive sanction will probably bankrupt Chinese economy and we will be back trying another Great Leap Forward.

Get over it, CCP, you don't want people to meddle with your private "human rights" problems so why would you meddle with another country's business deals?

This post has been edited by Starseeker: 03 February 2010 - 01:08 AM

I don't really understand the point of Canadian and American governments needing to meet with the Dalai Llama every year. . . What exactly does it accomplish? They are already well aware of the Tibet situation and don't need the Dalai Llama to explain it again every year. It seems meeting him is just to disturb China or show that you are not being bullied by China.

I don't support the US selling weapons to any country.

TW having a consenting reunification is a big joke and pipe-dream. Or if it ever happened it would be ceremonial only. A face saving and ass saving gesture. They will continue to self-govern.

What we see here is the political side of a nation called China, which is obviously strong enough to talk back to Western countries and their 'advice' - regardless about if this is Tibet and the Dalai Lama, if this is Taiwan, or if this is internet, or human rights etc. etc.

China is not something like Iraq, where you bring some soldiers and remove the government, and it is not something like Afghanistan, which you might occupy, but guerilla style resistance is everywhere...

It should be noticed, that USA has remarkable debits to China, and it is ridiculous, that the country which is owning such a lot of money, is giving moral advices to the creditor, telling what to do and what not.

We have - not really politically - about the same problems with USA in Japan, every moment somebody from USA is showing up with moral advice and telling the Japanese government what it should do with its citizens. There are demands to change family laws (regarding divorce), pornographic regulations (immoral drawings), age of consent (18 instead of 20, is against human rights), anti-spanking laws (against children rights) and this is going on all the time.

Japan is not China, and Japan usually is just receiving all these complaints from USA directly a la Hillary Clinton etc, from UNO, UNICEF, AI, UNIFEM and whatever 'international but US controlled bodies', and it is out in the press information, and then considered for studies in the Japanese government, and forgotten and see you next year ...

The impression I get from reading things in the China Daily is that the Mainland- at least in its public face- sees Taiwan as a something of a petulent child. A sort of "Yes, you can think you're independent, but mother knows best, Dear" attitude with a smile on their face.

Little acts such as directing loudspeakers from boats to Taiwan yelling out propaganda and so on only add to the mix. Do they still do that?

But the truth is probably quite different. Sixty years is a short time for the Chinese and there are probably (definitely!) still a lot of sore wounds between the CCP and the KMT and a few scores still to be settled. Apparently CHIANG Kai-shek took most or all of the country's gold reserves with him when he did the "harold" in 1949.

I don't see it as inevitable that Taiwan will become part of the Mainland- again. A firm possibility of a definite maybe, perhaps? I suppose it depends on just how far Taiwan's "friends" are willing to back her up when push comes to shove. And that probably wont be too far by too many.

Taiwan may be offered the chance to self-govern a la Hong Kong, seeing as its economy is still markedly different from that of the Mainland. Or maybe something totally different will be devised.

It seems a little out of phase for the US to be supporting Tibet and the Dalai Lama and not the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Maybe it's because the Uyghurs are Muslim... A little bit of sabre rattling for the folks at home, perhaps?

China apparently bought trillions in US debt from Japan. Add that to the mounting trade deficit between China and the US, and China has the Yanks by the yarbles. All it takes is a little squeeze... The closet conspiratorialist (is that even a word?) in me ties this in with all the hooha over things like global warming, but I'm way out of my depth on that!

LOL, this is pretty much how I expect the responses to be.

America shouldn't tell China what to do with its morals, yes, but Chinese shouldn't tell Americans what to do with Taiwan. China already spends enough money manipulating Taiwanese politics as it is, and the usual propaganda from the CCP PR machine gets pretty deafening.

Of course, I am the only one next to Jack who has lived in China the longest and I speak fluent languages, so maybe my sentiments would be different from an casual observer.

As I have been saying for a long time, CCP Beijing may SEEM like a monolithic thing that Russia used to project, but the situation underneath is quite different. I have posted a link about a secret memoir from a high lvl Chinese leader who had opposed the Tianmen crackdown.

Anyway, as for me personally, I think civil war in China is not unlikely. Southern sentiments, with Shanghai, HK, Macau, and Taiwan together, is quite different from Beijing CCP's feelings. Despite what it might try to project, China is a country barely holding together by media manipulation and educational brainwashing, then throw in a bit of Hans racist unity, and you have "modern" China. A north v.s. south civil war is not unlikely.

Of course, hopefully I won't be there when it happens.

Starseeker, on 08 February 2010 - 10:49 AM, said:

Why not? Taiwan never declared to be an independent country itself.

And there are only few nations, which recognize Taiwan politically.

Even USA does not consider Taiwan to be an independent country and keeps diplomatic ties with China's leaders in Beijing.
Same here with Japan.

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Yes, if Taiwan declares full independence from the Chinese government in Beijing .... and if some others in the South find this to be a great idea, like HongKong.

But Taiwan makes a lot of business and is not so isolated from China as it seems to be.

My guess is that it will stay for many coming years as it is now, not really well balanced, but politically it will not move forward, not move backward...

Same with NorthKorea and SouthKorea. Just nothing is moving, as nobody is willing to do the first step of confrontation.

I can second the sentiment that CPP is barely holding things together. Technology is both creating wealth and stability in te country while at he same time undermining the CPP ability to control information. But unless China hits a very serious economic crises it will be business as usual. There are many unhappy factions. . but it would take a big catalyst to unite those various factions.