Thai bar girls are all lazy trollops - This is the reality

I'm working in a very male dominated environment in the UK right now. It's exactly the sort of place you'd expect to find lots of men with failed marriages (due to their long working hours), and they are often angry and disillusioned. There are plenty of guys in this environment that have taken vacations in places like the Philippines and Thailand, primarily because of the reputations those countries have for cheap sex and submissive women (allegedly)...

There's a particular guy there that is the cliche in every regard. He's overweight, flaking skin due to dermatological problems, crass, toothless, loud and smelly. I think he recently had a failed marriage with a Filipina, so he's now bragging about his exploits in Thailand, where he claims to be a king, and that his rotund features gain him extra respect from everyone there because his fat gut and flabby tyres show them that he's wealthy and attractive... and all those girls, oh those girls love him so. He can have any girl he wants there, for just a flash of cash, they're all available... because they're poor you know, they sure appreciate him spending his money on them...

I almost told him that "Actually, you're a fat ignorant cnvt" but I might have to work with him for a couple of months, so I guess I'll just have to stomach it...

A couple of threads from well meaning douchebags today, prompted me to write the following short page...
Thai Bar Girls - The Real Reasons They do it

You cannot blame him for his impression, just my opinion - he has been in Thailand and Philippines several times as you said - and for sure only for a short time, otherwise he would run out of money - and he was looking for sex against payment during his vacation - and he found it there to a reasonable price. He is not interested in a deeper study of Asia and why he should do so?

If you stay a while in Philippines, Cebu you would be astonished what Western men will tell you straight in your face about their life while in Europe or in Northern America. The usual MRA stuff, as you know.

As usual I'll have to go off-topic a bit here because although I've lived in Bangkok for a couple of years I've had no contact with bar girls (I'm married and it didn't come up). So although I can't speak to why they do it I can point out something related about what I have seen: corporate employment in the IT industry.

The point is this: it probably is relatively easy to find employment to make 8000 baht a month here, and somehow people live on that (about $250 USD). You could argue whether that number should be 6k or 10k; it depends where you are. But if someone desires a more modern Western lifestyle or to retire someday that's not going to work out well. The people I work with all start making something like 15 - 20k baht / month and the engineers can work up to 30k without too much difficulty or time invested (a lot for a Thai wage). That still doesn't go far towards buying the Western life (a condo or house that isn't a shack, a new car, some electronics, etc.); it would work if a both halves of a couple were doing it. But many of my co-workers delay having a family or don't have children because the hours can run a bit long and the numbers don't add up well (especially if providing is extended to private schooling). The average Thai factory worker or waiter can forget about all that; if they ride a motorcycle then they can have a nice cell phone and TV no problem, and so on.

So I guess where I'm heading with this is that these girls might just be chasing a twisted version of the American dream (or whatever Europeans have instead). They can go to the factory and settle in to a limited traditional life short of many of the perks with no way out or they can cash in on their youth for a decade and trade morality for a standard of living and future they couldn't otherwise have. Lots of professional work in Bangkok doesn't change the equation much, either. If those girls could get an education and then a job as a teacher or journalist they would still make closer to 10k per month than 20. Factor in an hour-plus commute to live in the sticks or Chinatown and it's all for naught (or they'd be looking to get married as a hand up, which isn't completely unrelated to selling it piecemeal, just more acceptable). Working for the military or the police brings the same result for Thai men, unless some side income can supplement the low pay rates.

An example: every week I benefit from eating inexpensive Thai local lunches for around 40 baht per (which is good because my pay isn't that grand either). On the weekend I splurge and eat at McDonalds, but I only have fries and a DQ blizzard (because I'm a vegetarian) and that costs me several days worth of lunch money. Point being it's not necessarily an extravagant lifestlye that's at stake, just what is being sold here as a normal life. If someone didn't want all of it they'd be free of some trade-offs but now that comes back to rejecting modern Thai culture. In America we're getting comfortable with the contradiction that greed and excess consumption are bad all around but that everyone wants as much stuff and travel and services as they can possibly get.

Mandrunk, on 08 February 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

I will tell you one thing. I have been traing bodybiuldning i 16 years and I'm still young. Almost every girl in Thailand think I'm good loking man. But I get cheat anyway. Do you remember you told me " Go head man looks lika You have found nice girl" Nice girl? read relationship with thai woman.

Mandi said: I say marry her. You've obviously found a really good one. Isn't it obvious?



He did indeed but forgot the [irony] [/irony] tags

Mandrunk, on 08 February 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

Well, he's got a point here.
But besides that, he sure deserves what you think of him...

I thought i'd be the first one in with a counter argument....

I'm not sure I agree with the "lazy" part. I don't think the job is quite as glamourous or easy as people think. Yes it sounds great - dance all night, drink yourself stupid, bang some random bloke and get paid for it - but I know i can only stand doing that for a week or two before i would, quite literally, die. These girls are doing it everyday with maybe 1 day off a month and probably pulling the equivilent of 12+ hour shifts at a time!

Why do they do it? I guess there's many reasons...here's some that i've encountered and know to be true...

A factory will not provide enough food to support their family. Some are here because they have children who they want to put through school and higher education which they simply cannot afford to do by any other means.

Others have sick parents/realtions who need to be looked after.

Others have simply got lazy families who are more than willing to take the money that they send home and sit there doing nothing all day and not ask to many questions about where the money comes from.

And some have a combiaton of all the above.

Sweeping generlisations never do any good, and I certainly know a few older girls who are there for the career. Their children are grown up, their parents dead - but they stay because they simply don't know what else to do and the money is good and some younger ones who think its fabulous (although in my experiance Thai's have a habit of making things sounds better than they really are) and they probably haven't been there long enough to discover the true reality of their situation.

It's also very clear that the girls you meet are based upon the type of person you are and how you act. If you waltz into a gogo bar, money flashing and take a different girl every night and treat them like crap then I can guarentee that you will get to see the worse side of thai bar girls.

This is only based upon my personal experiance and it is definately biased.

So to sum up. I don't think they are lazy as such. I think ALL are there because they earn more money than anywhere else, but I also think most are there because their situation demands it rather than just wanting to be there for the money or because they think it is a good job.

This post has been edited by MixedupJim: 08 February 2010 - 09:26 PM

MixedupJim, on 08 February 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

Wot Jim said...

Laziness for sure - who wouldnt want to drink/party every night then get paid 5x plus for a quick shag or two? Then sleep all day. (dream come true)

britmaveric, on 09 February 2010 - 02:11 AM, said:

But you really don't get the choice of who you shag.

Some gobshite slob twice or more your weight with bad teeth and breath and even worse BO due to the Thai humidity, half- or more p¡$$ed, huffing and puffing and sweating on top of you... Lost you enthusiasm yet?

The constant threat of STD's that just get more and more viulent and harder/impossible to treat.

The lack of respect from your own people for doing what you do- in spite of your good intentions for doing it in the first place.

The potential beating or just loss of job for not shagging all and sundry with the required number of THb in their hand and looking for a "me-love-you-long-time" memory to take home. And what if they don't just want a straight shag?

You almost have to take your hat of to the girls that take this on. I doubt I'd be psychologically strong enough to divorce my mind from what was happening to my body.

Uncle Gweilo, on 09 February 2010 - 08:40 AM, said:

And?

It's easy, you don't like it, leave and do any other job.

There are plenty of so-called rescue-actions by church and do-gooders, paying even the bar-fine for such girls, giving them some pocket-money, try to help them by introducing them for a job - etc. etc.

Usually the girls go back after a while to where they come from - nightlife - and not only in Thailand.

For example in Germany, there are over 400.000 legally registered prostitutes. They pay social insurance, taxes, a job as any other job.

And?

We cannot always choose our customers. No employee can do that. Regardless the job. Or you will be fired. But also most 'self-employed' girls will not refuse customers, despite they do not like them - because money is money.

But nowadays Thailand is not that bad, and most girls serving foreigners can refuse and will refuse in 'extreme cases' - but money is money, so sometimes better take the money and shut up....

I think, conditions of 'cheap girls' working only for low-income Thai people are much more severe but are in hiding from public international view in provincial cities and therefore ignored. Yes, such girls might be sometimes forced into prostitution - in contrast to those 'poor girls' who are the 'victims' of Western customers.

Thai girls with Western customers are usually much better off, otherwise they would not run after foreign customers. Even following them by internet-chat, SMS and email around the world up to Europe - and the reason for that? Making good money out of it.

Uncle Gweilo, on 09 February 2010 - 08:40 AM, said:

You have of course just perfectly described sex with the average Western woman over the age of 25, yet manginas still voluntarily do that. Perhaps some Thai girls take a similarly generous/masochistic attitude to their clients.

BTW, when in Cambodia I noticed that some bar girls really did flock to fat, middle aged men. Probably they just figured they were more likely to get money from them, but you can't blame the guy above for thinking they were attracted to him.

Just so you all know what a "mangina" is:

* Derisive term for a man's feminine side - especially when he's picky, touchy or emotional about something seemingly minor.

* A man totally controlled by a woman.

* A weak willed man.

* When a guy bitches more then a woman he goes beyond the usual label of a pussy, he becomes a mangina.

* A guy that acts too much like a girl in a relationship. Very clingy and codependent. Cries a lot and expects the girl to have no other life but the one with him.

* A male lackey of the feminist hate movement (Usually called a 'male feminist'), who views women as superior to men and always bows down to and agrees with women in an attempt to curry favour, especially his abusive, man-hating wife who will screw him over in the divorce court, ruin his life and reputation, whelp a child that isn't his and sting him for money for said child. In short, a man-slave. Almost all married men these days are manginas, and so are a slightly less number of single men.

* Slang term for a man who is being timid or cowardly. Someone not showing attributes that we would expect from a man. The usage of the term is meant to be interchangable with the term pussy but meant to be less offensive to women.

* A man that is too pussy to do something.

* A man who is trying to be metrosexual but failing miserably.

* Male who behaves like a woman.

* To have female like qualities such as not being able to consume a lot of alcohol, complaining, and ditching friends to do non-essential things such as studying, or hanging out with a significant other.

* Pussy whipped male. Named due to the taking on of feminine tendencies rather than masculine ones. Caused by extreme need to seek approval from females to the point of eradicating his own self and becoming a servant eunuch. Is a man, but may as well have a vagina.

* A male feminist. A man who is overly concerned with women's issues to the point of complacency or contempt for those of his own gender.

* A male who whines and cries about himself, his life, or others. Someone who chooses to sit consistently on his own pity-pot. A man who seeks the sympathy of others for his own wrongdoings.

* Mangina - a derogatory term for a male who does not deserve to be called a real man by virtue of his attitudes, beliefs, and behaviour towards women. Basically, any "man" who does not give women the respect they deserve. Includes a variety of groups like sexists, wife-beaters and cheaters.

etc etc etc...

Seems to cover just about every male, one way or another. Just look at the last two.

http://www.urbandict...hp?term=mangina

camerata, on 09 February 2010 - 04:22 PM, said:

Not all definitions are correct out of this long list. they are somewhat of topics, created obviously by feminists.

I would say, these 2 ones above are about what the word 'mangina' is used for by MRAs.

Off topic posts split here: What is a Mangina?

They're dirty filthy sluts who spend their whole life swimming in an ocean of sperm.
They drink so much of it it's coming out their ears.
They've been shagged up the ass so much they can't stop farting and they smell bad, probably pooped their pants.
And from my experience they make the worst kind of wife although they make great company when you're with them and are great fun as long as you don't mind the farting ones.
They seem to be very trusting of certain types of men, mix that with their ability to be astounding liars and you have a pimps dream come true.
You could make a fortune out of one in the UK but I'm a nice man so I wouldn't.
P.S. You can tell I've been on a building site all week.

This post has been edited by Il Postino: 10 February 2010 - 05:39 AM

Oh dear, Postie!

I can't wait to read the responses of those who are actually going to agree with you on this...

This post has been edited by Uncle Gweilo: 10 February 2010 - 06:07 AM

I feel very bad for saying it but it appears to be true.
I would love the story to be one of true love and trust and total commitment and triumh in the face of all odds but I have yet to see it.
Maybe someone else has seen it.

This post has been edited by Il Postino: 10 February 2010 - 06:49 AM

Of course there are good ones as well as bad ones. I've seen some pretty s###*y stuff from so called middle/hi-so thai birds that would make bg stuff look like childs play. Lesson - there are good and bad thai ladies and it doesnt depend on their profession.

britmaveric, on 10 February 2010 - 07:17 AM, said:

Seen some 'ang mo' guys get taken for plenty down here in Singapore too - different kind of 'modus operandi' but similar results...