Reason to live in Indonesia
Posted 20 July 2010 - 02:46 AM
What are the reason for Westener to choose living in Jakarta ?
I mean, with all the polluted weather, lousy public transportation, political instability, etc....
I'm not talking about that high earner expat that goes around with their luxurious car, armies of maid in their houses; but about those middle range expat that decided to living the local lifestyle since the company they worked for didn't pay for those facilities (or perhaps they didn't afford it).
And when I said local lifestyle, I mean : shared housing with other people, relying onto public transport/ your own feet, etc...
You know, the kind of life that those expat would be living in their own country.
Why choose Jakarta instead of your own country if there is no (I'm assume) visible improvement to your living standard ?
Anyone willing to enlighten me ?
Posted 25 September 2010 - 04:52 AM
Second, as a foreigner, I would not want to live in Jakarta for the same reasons that you mentioned in your post. I think that there are a few other Asian countries that fare much better than Indonasia.
Edited by cobie, 25 September 2010 - 04:53 AM.
Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:57 AM
Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:53 PM
Posted 26 September 2011 - 11:59 AM
Posted 26 September 2011 - 03:20 PM
Posted 26 September 2011 - 03:46 PM
What are the reason for Westener to choose living in Jakarta ?
I do not know even one Western expat personally, who was choosing Indonesia, Jakarta.
But there is a member here, who is living in Indonesia - Dr Bruce - I think was his user-ID, but he is not living in Jakarta.
Some other destinations in Indonesia make more sense I guess, Bali and similar.
However it's not only Jakarta. Many Asian cities are very crowded and some of them have similar problems - Manila is pretty bad, and I do not think Jakarta is worse. Bangkok has also its population problem and not to forget to mention Indian cities.
Indonesia is not known to offer much information for longstay and to offer good visa condition for retirement.
It's not only about Indonesian cities, it's also about visa formalities.
I think, not so many expat living in Indonesia. Is there any statistic about it? How many Western foreigners are living in Jakarta?
Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:20 AM
Jakarta is like any other big city, particularly in Asia; over-crowded and polluted. Jakarta also floods quite seriously in the monsoon months.
Posted 28 September 2011 - 04:13 AM
I hope you do not take Jakarta as your first city to explore.
It could give you the wrong impression of the beauty of this country.
May I suggest Central Java to be part of your itineraries? Especially Yogyakarta & Solo.
It's been a long time since my last trip there, but I do see a lot of beautiful pictures that my colleague took when he was there recently.
Posted 28 September 2011 - 07:58 AM
I definitely want to see Borobudur and Prambanan and a couple of other places near Yogya. Solo and a couple of other towns in Jawa Tengah and Jawa Timur look interesting, too. I also have a friend who lives in Madiun who keeps asking me when I'm coming to Indo to see her. I also want to spend some time in Bali- but far away from drunken Aussies and Euro's.
I'm looking to go either at the end of next February or early March next year, but I'll only have three weeks. But with a bit of luck I'll polish up on the tiny bit of Bahasa Indonesia/Melayu I studied 35 years ago.
Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:23 PM
Interesting that Malay people, but also some Indonesia people I met when asking around told me, better not to go, stay in Malaysia, nothing there in Medan. Just timewaste.
Is this true?
I think, Indonesia might be quite different from where you go, or even to where you are allowed to go. Some places seems to be off-limit for all foreigners. Even on the big islands.
Not really much information about Indonesia available...
Posted 28 September 2011 - 01:08 PM
Posted 28 September 2011 - 02:40 PM
And I have a very good memory.
So, maybe I did not stay long enough there for the beauty of the place to register in my memory.
Or maybe there was nothing to register.
Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:48 AM
Edited by Uncle Gweilo, 30 September 2011 - 12:49 AM.
Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:55 AM
I love Ambon but fighting has flared up again between the Christians and Muslims. Lots of reasons for that, but no need to go into them here. I was only in Medan once and found it OK but not a place that I really wanted to go back to visit.
Posted 25 October 2011 - 01:13 AM
Posted 31 October 2011 - 10:50 AM
Reasons to live in Indonesia
Climate (if you like the tropics)
People are warm, extremely polite and friendly, always quick with a smile and ready to laugh.
Quality of life style with staff drivers and the like.
Being white in Indonesia is almost Instant rock star status with the opposite sex.
Langauge easy to learn to a functional level.
Reasons not to live in Indonesia
The place is the wild west Asia style. Live there long enough and you will see a lynching.
Jakarta is a big smelly over crowded city, the further you venture from the internationised areas the more you become a tourist attraction.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 08:29 AM
Posted 24 May 2012 - 11:57 AM
2. Climate (if you like the tropics)
3. People are warm, extremely polite and friendly, always quick with a smile and ready to laugh.
4. Quality of life style with staff drivers and the like.
5. Being white in Indonesia is almost Instant rock star status with the opposite sex.
6. Language easy to learn to a functional level.
I agree with points 2, 3, 4 and 6.
Not sure about point 5.
Do not agree with point 1, Indonesian food is OK but far from being the best in Asia.
Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:45 AM
Getting around is gruesome though, that's why I stop over for only as long as I absolutely have too.
Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:23 AM
Indonesian food - delicious and really enjoyed their food the few times I have found Indonesian restaurants in Phnom Penh and Amsterdam. I have no doubt it's prob even more tasty - sauces are tomato based and very spicy.
Posted 25 May 2012 - 10:30 AM
Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:14 AM
Edited by rae1968, 28 May 2012 - 11:16 AM.
Posted 29 May 2012 - 05:07 AM
I've not investigated local hooch, it must exist but as a majority Muslim country it's not something advertised, certainly in non-Muslim Bali they have local arak and rice wine.
Posted 29 May 2012 - 10:03 AM
Posted 29 May 2012 - 11:47 AM
Posted 29 May 2012 - 12:23 PM
Fluctuations of the Rupiah can be painful and my guess is sending money abroad is not that straightforward.
Posted 06 June 2012 - 05:54 AM
I'm Scottish and I lived and worked in Indonesia with my family from early 1995 until the very end of 1998. Based in Jakarta the first 6 weeks in 1995, then in Bandar Lampung and later Probolinggo JT for the rest of the time. I loved it there and my daughter was born in a hospital in Surabaya.
We've a chance to work and live again in Indonesia. I recall before that my employer paid any income tax due on me (I think about 16% ?) but now I see a big change. What is the current situation for expats re-income tax as an employee. From what I can see, it's not far off UK tax levels. I think I would pay about 25% of my salary on tax. Is that about right ? is it also the case that I would have to fill in tax returns on myself and also any pembantu etc we may have ?
Bit of a shock ! I've been in the Middle East for nearly six years and of course it's tax-free. So I'll be taking a hit to re-enter the real world but if I don't want to end my days here, I'll have to get used to the idea. I have been pining for Indonesia for some time and trying to find a way back.
It's been a while - I guess Tanamur is finished and I read that Felix died but Jaya goes on !!
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