Reason to live in Indonesia
Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:24 PM
It seems most people think that Jakarta IS Indonesia, what a shame as I tend to beileve JKT is probably the worst case of an Indonesian city. Forget JKT.
I live in Batam, great place to live. All the mods cons you might want whilst still "Indonesia". Kampung Bule is available if you need a night out on the town but Goodies at Smiling Hills is the place to actually socialise as an expat.
Batam is a great place to base yourself as you are only a ferry ride away from Singapore (Hate the place with a passion) and all that Changi offers but you also have Hang Nadim airport to get you all over Indo.
I suggest looking at Batam if you or anyone mates are considering Indo as a place to live.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:58 AM
Batam for sure is an interesting destination.
A long time ago it was said, it will develope as an international resort, similar to Phuket, but nowadays there is little to hear about these islands near to Singapore, but already Indonesian territory.
Plenty of ferries, but nowhere mentioned in the Singapore or Indonesian section of the OE forum, I think.
For sure interesting to visit ... but I was never there.
Is there any reason why it is not so popular? It's near to Singapore and easy to go over. - But I never have seen any international travel agency offering Batam - it seems Bali is #1 destination.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:16 AM
Batam has what is commonly known as Kampung Bule (foreigners village) which is a street full of girly bars. There are also quite a few karaoke or KTV type places where girls are available.
It is very cheap, cigarettes cost about $1 a pack.
If you are Singapore and add up the above you realise you need to do something to stop Singaporeans from living there and commuting each day to S'pore so either the Gov't or the media has always been very harsh with Batam in an effort to keep Singaporeans scared of the place and hence away from it.
This is just my opinion.
In the 4 or 5 years I have lived in Batam I have never had one problem there, oh that is only if you exclude bar girl type issues (trying to extract cash).
There are some great golf courses in Batam, great shopping in fact every weekend there are hundreds of S'poreans heading over there to buy cheap groceries, clothes and so on.
Hotels are very cheap also, a 2/300 SGD a night hotel in Batam will set you back 50-90 SGD so it is popular with young couples spending a romantic weekend away from Mum n Dad.
Batam Waterski park, Adventure type places, go karting, water sports, seafood etc etc.
Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:32 AM
Thanks for your interesting information.
After reading your first comment, I was looking around on the internet, and I found these pages, link above.
Seems to be a nice collection about what you can expect when entering Batam and other islands in this area. But I cannot comment about it, as I have never been there.
Edited by yohan, 08 June 2012 - 03:35 AM.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 01:56 PM
Tuky, of the expats living on Batam, are there many there that are retired, or are mostly working.
Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:53 AM
The opposite also applies, for example I spent the last 2 years 8 and 2 in Korea with my 2 spent in Batam.
There are also plenty of guys who run small businesses from bars to different manufacturing shops. One guy I am mates with makes hats and only hats.
Google smilinghills+batam for a look at the main expat hangout, very family friendly and owned/run by a bunch of retired Aussies. They are buying up the delapidated houses in an old moobaan and turning them into expat style rentals.
A foreigner can own land and a house in the Batam too unlike the majority of Indo.
As for retired, I cant really say. I live in an Indo part of town and am the only foreigner within my area so I don't really socialise with many expats unless I am at the pub and that is not very often. However there are a few golfing estates and higher end housing estates that most foreigners are drawn to (safety in numbers I guess) so I am not sure who those people are. The 'regulars' that I know are all people who either run their own bars or businesses (like the hat guy) or work for international mobs (Australian Skills Training, McDermotts, UT Quality etc etc) or are fly in fly out oil and gas guys, all have settled with families and been there atleast 5 years.
Sorry, I have written this in dribs and drabs over the course of the day, I hope it is not too disjointed.
Posted 12 June 2012 - 04:26 PM
I might need to come for a visit when I get a free weekend.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:06 AM
Have a great time and remember to try and learn some basic language phrases to help you get along.
Keep us informed of your travels.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:06 PM
I think however you are in Jakarta since only a few months, this is not enough time to explore the city and areas nearby and not to talk about places famous for sightseeing.
I think, everybody who is arriving for the first time in Bangkok will tell a similar story as you do, and not to mention Manila.
Most Asian cities are very crowded.
I would try in your case to explore more about Indonesia in general, and 2 years is not such a long time...
About your feeling trapped in Indonesia, I heard similar comments about Philippines and even about USA. The solution is that you need to find more friends, that you need to find an area for living which fits you. - this takes a while.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:09 AM
My feeling about Bangkok for my first time was so far better than Jarkarta. Not only about traffic, but also about people. Thai people are so far friendly and helpful. I got my bad experience with immigrantion officers in the airport first, then hotel's staffs though that was a 4 star-hotel, and another bad experience was with a taxi driver. I will never come back again if job doesn't require.
Edited by calmrivervn, 23 August 2012 - 07:09 AM.
Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:10 PM
I'm not sure about the the water or food, but we kept different expats for more than 10 years there and they did not really complain about that.
And as far as Indonesian people are concerned, they're really nice people, better than Thais on average (more genuinely nice). But well, Jakarta is the capital city of Indonesia, so you will find a lot of "predators" there, as you will find in Bangkok or Manilla.
Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:38 PM
Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:43 PM
Well, Rae, this has nothing to do with Indonesia or Jakarta I think, if you live in a crappy place in the US, I do not think you will like it either.
Can't you find another place?
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