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I recently read an article written by a prostitute about why she thinks prostitution is not wrong, I mean willing prostitutes, not the ones who are forced into the trade, which of course is more than wrong.
The full article is here:
http://mistressmatisse.blogspot.com/2005/0...-yesterday.html
And I actually think quite a lot of the 'bargirls' think the same and do not see anything wrong about being, well, a 'bargirl'...
Is Prostitution Inherently Wrong? Is prostitution wrong and why do many working girls think not?
#2
Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:17 PM
Bluecat, you always show up with highly interesting subjects...
Bargirls and feminists, my favourite topic...
I love bargirls, and I am fighting feminists.
No bargirl should be insulted by a feminist, just let me know, if you hear about such horrible defamations.
Asian bargirls really like the Caucasian gentleman! It is true.
Some feminists call me a liar, but why should I care....
Bargirls and feminists, my favourite topic...
I love bargirls, and I am fighting feminists.
No bargirl should be insulted by a feminist, just let me know, if you hear about such horrible defamations.
Asian bargirls really like the Caucasian gentleman! It is true.
Some feminists call me a liar, but why should I care....
#3
Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:35 PM
I have no problem with consenting adults engaging in a financial transaction for sex... but I often have trouble when thinking about the negative effects on the lives of both the customer and the prostitute... mentally, socially and physically.
Regarding feminism... I will also point out that Women also pay for sex more often than you may realise.
Regarding feminism... I will also point out that Women also pay for sex more often than you may realise.
#4
Posted 06 June 2005 - 10:39 PM
Blue, I think you should make this a poll and I'll place it on the Portal.
#7
Posted 06 June 2005 - 11:08 PM
Mandrake, on Jun 6 2005, 11:35 PM, said:
I will also point out that women also pay for sex more often than you may realise.
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My girls never paid anything for me, they left me with more than they expected.
I think, it is better to offer a woman some money in return for sexual favours than to approach her with untrue promises and dump her some days later.
The definition of 'true feminism' is difficult. - Not really the correct section of this forum to explain about it.
#8
Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:31 AM
So far 5 no and one yes. Probably only the men voting so far... 
This post has been edited by Bluecat: 07 June 2005 - 01:53 PM
#9 Guest_Jingle_*
Posted 07 June 2005 - 10:05 AM
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The definition of 'true feminism' is difficult
Can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink 
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Regarding feminism... I will also point out that Women also pay for sex more often than you may realise.
Mandrake, I think your statement is rather unfair. Not all women are against prostitutes, what do you think the prostitutes are???
............WOMEN. Prostitution if the oldest trade in the world.There are feminists in prostitutes too, perhaps not in Thailand. Some prostitutes are choosy and do not take everybody as their clients, ever heard of high-class pros? These women want to have their "right" to choose.........hence feminism.
Not all prostitutes are desperate people.Some prostitutes do not take abuse by their clients lightly and "fight" against men who abuse prostitutes. Are these not feminists then? Fighting for a woman's right not to be clobbered by her client.........even if she was a prostitute?
Women "pay" for sex in different ways" Possibly true but we do not pay with monetary factors, some pay emotionally and mentally.
I think it is men with this so called "anti-feminist" attitude that create more problems and negativity for the prostitutes
. They potray this self-proclaimed masculinist" image and tell women they do not have rights, can't do better, cannot make something of themselves, are there to serve men only and etc. A lot of negativity comes into play here. So these poor women, having "no rights" will want to find an easy way to make money and lower themselves............ 
Why do you think some prostitues are prone to being physically abused by sickos?? Cos of these stupid "masculinist" propaganda who tell them they should succumb to men!
Are you trying to tell me prostitutes have no right to fight for anything at all??
Even their own bread and butter? They should take it lying down (no pun intended) That is what feminism is about, fighting for women's rights! 
Are you trying to tell me you support this then? That a prostitute should always be a prostitute, no point in trying to better themselves??? If the chance comes for a better life, don't fight your pimps, just accept it???? That they have no bloody rights?? Wow.....I do not know whether to be appalled by all this or not.......
#10
Posted 07 June 2005 - 04:40 PM
Jingle, you have completely misinterpreted my statement.
Last week, I was having a conversation with a Manila bar girl. On the face of things, she really enjoyed her work. In fact, it's fair to say the many of these women in tourist/Western style BG establishments enjoy their work. I asked her why she keeps her passport with her while working, she replied that she missed the opportunity for the holiday of a lifetime when a rich customer wanted to take her to Hong Kong with him but her passport was at home many miles away.
She then went on to describe an incident where a man deliberatly mutilated a condom so that he would impregnate or possibly attempt to infect her with something (this guy is apparently well known in Manila amongst the bar girls for his sick antics).
My point is that not all of us are gentleman and these women have to have their wits about them. I avoid denigrating prostitues if I can. I also recognise that most women of intelligence, like yourself Jingle, have a similar attitude to my own. In fact, I admire some of the many bar girls I have known for their strength of character and resiliance in the face of their experiences.
When stating that I join Yohan in his fight against feminism, I refer only to those Women who would seek to emasculate me. The days of a man apologising for being 'A Man' are long gone.
Last week, I was having a conversation with a Manila bar girl. On the face of things, she really enjoyed her work. In fact, it's fair to say the many of these women in tourist/Western style BG establishments enjoy their work. I asked her why she keeps her passport with her while working, she replied that she missed the opportunity for the holiday of a lifetime when a rich customer wanted to take her to Hong Kong with him but her passport was at home many miles away.
She then went on to describe an incident where a man deliberatly mutilated a condom so that he would impregnate or possibly attempt to infect her with something (this guy is apparently well known in Manila amongst the bar girls for his sick antics).
My point is that not all of us are gentleman and these women have to have their wits about them. I avoid denigrating prostitues if I can. I also recognise that most women of intelligence, like yourself Jingle, have a similar attitude to my own. In fact, I admire some of the many bar girls I have known for their strength of character and resiliance in the face of their experiences.
When stating that I join Yohan in his fight against feminism, I refer only to those Women who would seek to emasculate me. The days of a man apologising for being 'A Man' are long gone.
#11 Guest_Jingle_*
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:00 PM
Thanks for the clarification Mandrake. However, I think Yohan's take on what you have said may be different . We will have to wait on his comments on that.
As I said, not all women are "feminists" trying to emasculate a man for frequenting prostitutes. Actually, I do not think feminist is the correct word for it.
Some women are against prostitution as it degrades women as a sex object and nothing more than a thing to please men. However, women who think that prostitutes should better themselves (way of living, education, skills etc) should not be wrongly labelled "feminists", in fact most of them care about how these prostitutes are treated. Some men are sadists, abuse them, mistreat them........even murder them. Such as the following case;
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There are sick people in the world.
As you mentioned yourself......
I do not say I support married/committed men who frequent prostitutes but for those who are single and need a way to have some pleasure, why not? So long as they treat these women with respect and not abuse them (physically,mentally or emotionally).
Nothing is as clear cut as it one thinks it is. Why do you think prostitution is legal in some countries and illegal in another???
. We will have to wait on his comments on that. As I said, not all women are "feminists" trying to emasculate a man for frequenting prostitutes. Actually, I do not think feminist is the correct word for it.
Some women are against prostitution as it degrades women as a sex object and nothing more than a thing to please men. However, women who think that prostitutes should better themselves (way of living, education, skills etc) should not be wrongly labelled "feminists", in fact most of them care about how these prostitutes are treated. Some men are sadists, abuse them, mistreat them........even murder them. Such as the following case;
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There are sick people in the world.
As you mentioned yourself......
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Mandrake.....where a man deliberatly mutilated a condom so that he would impregnate or possibly attempt to infect her with something
I do not say I support married/committed men who frequent prostitutes but for those who are single and need a way to have some pleasure, why not? So long as they treat these women with respect and not abuse them (physically,mentally or emotionally).
Nothing is as clear cut as it one thinks it is. Why do you think prostitution is legal in some countries and illegal in another???
This post has been edited by Mandrake: 05 February 2007 - 05:49 AM
#12
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:07 PM
Indeed Jingle, this is an age old argument and one that is long overdue in this forum.
I would argue that, after sleeping with a prostitute, it is often men that feel exploited for having a sex drive. Many a time I have gone for a few drinks, vowing to sleep alone... but then some sexy little minx blows in my ear and sits on my lap, describing what she'd like to do to me........ one thing leads to another and before I know it, my wallet is empty after a few rounds of lady drinks and a bar fine.
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Some women are against prostitution as it degrades women as a sex object and nothing more than a thing to please men.
I would argue that, after sleeping with a prostitute, it is often men that feel exploited for having a sex drive. Many a time I have gone for a few drinks, vowing to sleep alone... but then some sexy little minx blows in my ear and sits on my lap, describing what she'd like to do to me........ one thing leads to another and before I know it, my wallet is empty after a few rounds of lady drinks and a bar fine.
#14 Guest_Jingle_*
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:16 PM
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“If modern society rests itself on principles claiming to assist those who cannot help themselves and create structures where opportunities, not dead ends, are the norm, then these lower strata prostitutes do not deserve the abandonment from which they are suffering.â€.......by Greek philosopher Xenophon (400 B.C.), who lived in a time when prostitution was legal and often performed within temples
The quote is an interesting one, coming from an organization having ties to values generally thought to be moral. Certain religious groups insist society not be corrupted by negative behaviors and consequently ban them. This group must now see the futility of such a position, which brings us hope for other morally centered organizations.
#15 Guest_Jingle_*
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:24 PM
What countries have legal prostitution?"
It would be easier to ask which countries is it illegal in, that would be a very short list, with mainly the U.S. were consenting adult sexual rights are denied...
http://www.sexwork.c...trieslegal.html
It would be easier to ask which countries is it illegal in, that would be a very short list, with mainly the U.S. were consenting adult sexual rights are denied...
http://www.sexwork.c...trieslegal.html
#16
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:27 PM
Mandrake, on Jun 7 2005, 05:40 PM, said:
Jingle, you have completely misinterpreted my statement.
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I refer only to those Women who would seek to emasculate me. The days of a man apologising for being 'A Man' are long gone.
The topic is called:
Is prostitution inherently wrong?
My opinion is, prostitution is NOT inherently wrong.
I do not see a direct relationship between feminism and prostitution. The one does not exclude or include the other.
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True feminism is a movement of financially well-off, man-hating Caucasian women from Europe and the USA, which operates to the motto: Take as much as you can and give as little as possible.
Victims out of this policy of discrimination are not only men, but also low-class women (mostly of Asian or black race, Latinas etc..).
To give you an example, I do not think, Asian maids may expect better treatment, because their employer is a feminist westernised woman.
There are plenty of complaints from Filipina and Indonesian maids against their female employer.
#17 Guest_Jingle_*
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:44 PM
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True feminism is a movement of financially well-off, man-hating Caucasian women from Europe and the USA, which operates to the motto: Take as much as you can and give as little as possible.
Which rules most women on AE out as feminists, we are not Caucasian!
Good work Yohan! 
Now now, don't edit what you said, it would just show you were clueless to what you have just stated.. 
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Victims out of this policy of discrimination are not only men, but also low-class women (mostly of Asian or black race, Latinas etc..).
To give you an example, I do not think, Asian maids may expect better treatment, because their employer is a feminist westernised woman.
There are plenty of complaints from Filipina and Indonesian maids against their female employer.
To give you an example, I do not think, Asian maids may expect better treatment, because their employer is a feminist westernised woman.
There are plenty of complaints from Filipina and Indonesian maids against their female employer.
Asian women also abuse Asian maids.
One cannot only solely blame the employer, in some cases the maids themselves are not innocent "victims" either
. Would be foolish to think so..or biased.
This post has been edited by Jingle: 07 June 2005 - 05:50 PM
#19 Guest_Jingle_*
Posted 07 June 2005 - 05:51 PM
Never fear Mandi, I am suppose to be on IGNORE...... ....read my signature
....read my signature
This post has been edited by Jingle: 07 June 2005 - 05:52 PM
#20
Posted 07 June 2005 - 08:30 PM
Only few posters seem to be interested in a discussion about this subject.
For some reasons I do not read some postings in this thread. Please correct me, if there are some open questions.
About the topic:
Is prostitution inherently wrong? Let me clarify something...
My opinion is NO, neither by the side of the woman, nor by the side of the man.
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Who is AGAINST prostitution and how do they judge the man and the woman as 'a buyer and a seller'?
How does a 'modern' anti-prostitution law look like?
Sweden, a female dominated society, has an anti-prostitution law, where women might sell (offer) sexual services without legal consequences, and only the man, who might buy (accept) sexual services is due to criminal indictment.
It sounds strange, but in Sweden it is legal for women to offer openly sexual services to men, but it is illegal for men to accept such offers and pay for them.
The argumentation is, that the woman is ALWAYS the victim of violence in case of prostitution, and she will, in whatever form she is provocating the man to accept her against payment, remain free of legal consequences.
Man and woman should be considered as equal? Or at least as adults, responsible for their doing or wrongdoing? Not always...
An Australian feminist explained me, this is a fair law against prostitution, they hope for the same law. A male feminist from USA told me the same.
May I ask, if I am a criminal, because I think, there is nothing wrong with prostitution?
For some reasons I do not read some postings in this thread. Please correct me, if there are some open questions.
About the topic:
Is prostitution inherently wrong? Let me clarify something...
My opinion is NO, neither by the side of the woman, nor by the side of the man.
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Who is AGAINST prostitution and how do they judge the man and the woman as 'a buyer and a seller'?
How does a 'modern' anti-prostitution law look like?
Sweden, a female dominated society, has an anti-prostitution law, where women might sell (offer) sexual services without legal consequences, and only the man, who might buy (accept) sexual services is due to criminal indictment.
It sounds strange, but in Sweden it is legal for women to offer openly sexual services to men, but it is illegal for men to accept such offers and pay for them.
The argumentation is, that the woman is ALWAYS the victim of violence in case of prostitution, and she will, in whatever form she is provocating the man to accept her against payment, remain free of legal consequences.
Man and woman should be considered as equal? Or at least as adults, responsible for their doing or wrongdoing? Not always...
An Australian feminist explained me, this is a fair law against prostitution, they hope for the same law. A male feminist from USA told me the same.
May I ask, if I am a criminal, because I think, there is nothing wrong with prostitution?
